tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post5189689505709755835..comments2023-12-28T07:28:52.615-05:00Comments on Fly Fishing Blog Sipping Emergers : Episode 3: Twenty Seven WordsSteve Zakurhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14806203921155483420noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-40394509509980342602013-01-21T19:00:38.655-05:002013-01-21T19:00:38.655-05:00If only. If only. Steve Zakurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14806203921155483420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-43625467862723512212013-01-21T17:42:21.546-05:002013-01-21T17:42:21.546-05:00In the light of recent events, and the ridiculous ...In the light of recent events, and the ridiculous stance of the NRA, your proposal at number 7 deserves to be more than a footnote. <br />English Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14583165989353165951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-50878124089548868502013-01-21T16:22:58.112-05:002013-01-21T16:22:58.112-05:00TJ - I may have gotten all those guys a bit mixed ...TJ - I may have gotten all those guys a bit mixed up so I'll have to go sort it out. I thought the position you described perfectly was Hamilton's position. So many dead Presidents to keep track of, so little time. Steve Zakurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14806203921155483420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-24557491917944546122013-01-21T16:18:24.211-05:002013-01-21T16:18:24.211-05:00Very minor point, and totally beside the point you...Very minor point, and totally beside the point you're making (I'm still reading...sorry for talking before I'm finished!).<br /><br />I don't agree with footnote 4, i.e. that we can "thank" Madison for the Bill of Rights. My understanding of the history of the BoR is that, in fact, he was quite opposed to the idea, and for the reasons you say. He didn't see it necessary, and in fact worried that a bill of rights would look like an enumerated list of the ONLY rights we had...and hence folks might be prone to reading it, find something missing, and then claim that since it was missing, it was not a right (and, in fact, this happens a lot: I have heard it said often that gay marriage isn't a right because it's not in the Constitution). And more, my understanding is that it was because of this fear that the ninth amendment was stuck in there: i.e. "Hey, just because it's not listed doesn't mean it's not a right!" Lastly, my understanding is that Madison eventually pushed for the inclusion of the BoR only because others particularly fearful of a powerful federal government insisted upon it, and Madison like most (I mean some...I mean, none now but some before) politicians understood compromise is necessary.<br /><br />I could be all wrong about this. In any case, back to reading the post. Sorry.<br /><br />T.J. Brayshawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16310669690861175884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-67750767093193240302013-01-21T15:04:53.705-05:002013-01-21T15:04:53.705-05:00Thanks James. It's been an interesting refresh...Thanks James. It's been an interesting refresher course in social studies. One of the things that is most striking in this conversation is both the lack of fact about the causes of gun violence (discussed yesterday) and the inability of anyone to put second amendment rights in the context of all the other natural rights listed in the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution. The Second Amendment does not exist on its own. It is part of a system of rights. No one trumps the others.Steve Zakurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14806203921155483420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-78936696888212881432013-01-21T15:01:47.578-05:002013-01-21T15:01:47.578-05:00But it is also people who are armed who have been ...But it is also people who are armed who have been the greatest beasts we have seen in history. Surely there is a balance. What I worry most about is not that there are guns in our society but the uses to which those weapons are put. In recent weeks, some of the most ardent protectors of their second amendment rights are quick to threaten violence; to shirk the rule of law. Alex Jones put on quite the show and one doesn't have to look too far to find others of his ilk. No one of the natural rights listed in the Bill of Rights is superior to the others, unless, it seems, you have a gun and the second amendment at your back. I'd like your thoughts after you read tomorrow's post.Steve Zakurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14806203921155483420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-86319956036533111472013-01-21T12:06:24.125-05:002013-01-21T12:06:24.125-05:00I dont agree... I look at the history of man and ...I dont agree... I look at the history of man and see that it was the people who were armed that had, have and obtained freedom and liberty. Being armed has thwarted want and greed of man from obtaining his desires. Man trying to obtain his wants at the expense of other men and feeding his desire and ego has been happening since the begining of mankind. We all know this. Looking at history teaches us. The words we use have come from the need to describe things around us; War, Greed, Kill, Want, King, Ruler, Slave, Tyrant, Liberty, Freedom, Genocide, Peasant, Upper Class, Slum, Defend, Protect, Equallity, Elected, Representitive, Communism, Socialism, Democracy, Country. We the fortunate poeple of this country havent been exposed to these things as most other men have for 3,000 + years of human history. Lets not be ignorant or unaware of mans history. <br />I wish guns never existed... but I dont live in that world with those beings.<br />If they didnt, 99.8.percent of us would be living and working on Native Indian Land with a Green Card and following the Laws of Nature and respecting Mother Earth. Remember, White man was the original tyrant invader with guns. We all need to be aware and look at the big picture of whats going on. <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01191237154582036632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8754321616639572513.post-40792099000238497732013-01-21T09:35:07.946-05:002013-01-21T09:35:07.946-05:00I appreciate the research that you have put in to ...I appreciate the research that you have put in to this and the extremely well articulated presentation of your findings more than you can imagine. Thank you VERY much. I will be referring to these pieces among my peers to support my deeply held beliefs on this critical argument. james deloriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075475264922052016noreply@blogger.com